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« on: March 30, 2008, 07:12:20 PM »

This is a real interesting article I came across.
There are some gas conversion Kits out there to reduce fuel consumption, but only works on petrol engines.
Running Diesel engines on Veggie Oil, is a bit cheaper than fuel, but not all dielsels can do that.

So, how about using Water as Fuel    Shocked

The basic principle is to produce your own hydrogene from water. No compression tanks are needed as with gas conversion, and it works both with petrol and diesel engines.
I'm gonna get me one of these for sure.

http://water4gas.com/2books.htm?hop=lovekae
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 07:26:34 PM »

You do release that the government in their ultimate wisdom are now taxing water usage Neener
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« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2008, 02:47:22 PM »

Extract from the same "Website" above:

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Landrover 1969 Diesel - from 27.87 MPG to 71.43 MPG!!!! (256%)

Right then, I've got a 1969 Landrover Series 2a 2.25L Diesel. I put magnets on the fuel line and increased the mileage on a set 17 mile route at a steady 40mph to 27.87mpg. I then constructed the single cell system and fitted it. My first run was with the bubbler closed and on the set run increased my mileage to 28.84mpg. A positive start, but I felt that the engine was being starved of HHO. I then reduced the length of the two feed pipes going to the closest point on the air intake manifold to 4 feet each from five feet and opened up the bubbler to allow a moderate amount of air through. I then ran the same run (each run took 35 minutes) and compared the results. My 39 year old Landrover did 71.43mpg!!!!

In truth, I was hoping to achieve a modest 40mpg but this is unbelievable!!

Many thanks for all your technical help. Your the first people that haven't scoffed at me for attempting to run on HHO and I greatly appreciate your support.

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Michael B. (Lancaster, United Kingdom) March 2008
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« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2008, 06:05:55 PM »

I'm halfway in constructing a 2 cell system to put in the disco.
The info is mostly related to petrol vehicles, but diesel work just as well and much simpler to install.
However, i have to rethink the design so it stands up to the abuse it gets when offroading. i think i have solved this now by adding a 3de emty cell to catch any water that may splash up into the vacume pipes, and still allow the HHO to go thru.
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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2008, 06:50:31 PM »

if it works then why arent the manufacturers doing it? never read so much bullspit! what date was this posted?
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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2008, 07:58:19 PM »

Vince all your answers are explained on the website.
personally i know of a guy, my uncle actually, who has installed this in his truck. gets 52% better fuel usage.
I'm a pessimist by nature, but will try this and let you know. if it is a hoax, i'll be the first one to let the world know.
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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2008, 08:29:49 PM »

I tend to err on Vince's side - I've seen spam sites before and that site looks just like one of them - flashy text, multicoloured paragraphs, quotes from people claiming 500% increase in fuel effeciency etc etc blah blah blah.

It's like you go to a car show, and there's a fantastic sales man selling a device, like a tornado insert for a turbo diesel air intake, claiming you get 500% better savings and ou pay the €30 for the device and wonder, why don't the manufacturers think of this and install them in every car??

Because they don't work!

Hydrogen cells are very very hard to produce, there are hybrid cars out there which cost multi-millions of dollars (even was one on Top Gear or 5th Gear a while ago) but they are simply not (yet) mass-producable or cost effective.

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« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2008, 08:31:09 PM »

actually this says it all.... RUN AWAY RUN AWAY Brave Sir Robin!


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 Shocked sounds like a scam. That's what they say when it's a scam!
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« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2008, 08:35:33 PM »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_vehicle
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« Reply #9 on: April 04, 2008, 08:44:53 PM »

Liamo, actually, it is not hydrogene that you produce, it's Brown's gas, and very easy to do. BIG difference. Also bare in mind that the hydrogene (or water cars ) you refer to is something completely different and bares no resemblance on this technology.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. Just thought I'll put it out there for a matter of interest.

So far the bits and bobs has cost me less thab €30, less than a few pints on a Friday night, and if it works, it works, and if it doesn't, then i have a few jars to put screws in.
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« Reply #10 on: April 04, 2008, 08:49:28 PM »

This process produces brown's gas, HHO, which is used as a combustion additive, produced simply from water alone with the help of electrodes. It is very simple to produce.
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« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2008, 08:52:52 PM »

Correct Leon, however....

HHO (more commonly known to chemistry dudes is OxyHydrogen) is 2:1 Hydrogen to Water - the same proportion as water (sound like H2O??).

A pure stoichiometric mixture is most easily obtained by water electrolysis, which uses an electric current to dissociate the water molecules. (The amount of energy used to create the gas is always greater than the energy released by combusting it.) The efficiency of electrolysis is dependent on the design of the electrolyzer, with some reports detailing 50-70% and the theoretical maximum efficiency being 80–94%.

Also a by-product of burning HHO is water vapor - an engine and an exhaust system is not designed to carry water vapour in it's exhaust-gas system.

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« Reply #12 on: April 04, 2008, 09:54:19 PM »

the system I'm building, should draw no more than 2 amps, with the voltage across the cell at about 1.24Volts = 2.48Watts, less than what a light bulb uses.

Your alternater gives you an unlimited supply of energy.

Correct water is a byproduct, but not dissimilar than using hydrogen injection

Hydrogen fuel injection systems are currently sold for both gasoline and diesel engines.

Hmmm, this is getting interesting....
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« Reply #13 on: April 04, 2008, 10:06:28 PM »

the system I'm building, should draw no more than 2 amps, with the voltage across the cell at about 1.24Volts = 2.48Watts, less than what a light bulb uses.

Your alternater gives you an unlimited supply of energy.

Correct water is a byproduct, but not dissimilar than using hydrogen injection

Hydrogen fuel injection systems are currently sold for both gasoline and diesel engines.

Hmmm, this is getting interesting....


Not really, I wish this topic would dry up....
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« Reply #14 on: April 04, 2008, 10:45:52 PM »

Not really, I wish this topic would dry up....

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